<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right?]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">One thing I always look at in post-apocalyptic literature is how they treat transportation: notably, are people still driving cars and how long can they do so and under what conditions?</p>
<p dir="auto">Entering our current oil crunch, I think it's obvious how fragile the ecosystem around cars are, but just letting the car sit unused and untreated for as little as a month can start to introduce\ problems. The idea that you can just pop into a car that's been abandoned for 3 years, pull the keys out from behind the visor,  and start driving is unrealistic.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Best: The Postman. We're back to walking and riding horses.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Good: The Last of Us, Season 1. People walk or ride horses, when our heroes DO find a working truck, it is treated as the jackpot it is--and I think it even had a spare gas tank in the back to maximize distance traveled to harvest gasoline. Realistically, gas as a fuel for fires would be a valuable enough commodity that it would have been scavenged, but they need to do some traveling and high speed dragons are not available in this genre (Reign of Fire aside).</p>
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<p dir="auto">Worst: Jericho. Nuclear explosions in the US pretty much wreck everything and despite the town of Jericho being completely isolated, people just drive their pickup trucks around all seasons long without comment. Horses and bicycles are maddeningly present but rarely used. I think the show thought American audiences could accept a premise where the federal government collapses after multiple nuclear strikes, but not where  people in Kansas got off oil dependency--<em>that</em> would be too out there.</p>
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]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/topic/2154b6a4-0d5c-41a7-abb5-68618fd0b11f/transportation-post-apocalypse-who-gets-it-right</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2026 00:13:20 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://forum.ieu.app/topic/2154b6a4-0d5c-41a7-abb5-68618fd0b11f.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 17:12:54 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Thu, 17 Sep 2026 01:42:34 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">People with lots of money use trucks/cars. People with some money ride bikes. Most people walk.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25865319</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25865319</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[twinklebreeze@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2026 01:42:34 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Thu, 17 Sep 2026 00:16:07 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">the most realistic thing I can think of is greasel conversion of diesels but I have never seen it done in a show.  Then you just need farming of vegetable oil.  Batteries though become problamatic after 10 years.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://piefed.social/comment/12946891</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://piefed.social/comment/12946891</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[hubertmanne@piefed.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2026 00:16:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Thu, 17 Sep 2026 00:16:02 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I like you teach me your ways lemmy farmer</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25864222</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25864222</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[surp@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2026 00:16:02 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Thu, 17 Sep 2026 00:08:01 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">The reason I brought up riveting is because you can do it with basic hand tools. If some kind of welding would work, yeah, do it the normal way. You aren't going to have propane, though, and insulating gasses might require some ingenuity.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Nobody rivets a bike frame because it's made out of hollow tubes and rivets are designed to pinch flat things together. Rivets are just the wrong tool for the job.</p>
<p dir="auto">Of the metal-melting joining methods, I guess brazing is probably the most low-tech. Maybe propane would be a problem and you'd have to use some other fuel instead (maybe wood gas?), but it's been a thing since <a href="https://cupalloys.co.uk/pages/history-of-brazing" rel="nofollow ugc">3000 BC</a> so I'm sure an enterprising person could figure <em>some</em> solution out.</p>
<p dir="auto">Alternatively, the flux coating on a stick welding rod is apparently made mostly of cellulose, which is less exotic than I expected.</p>
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<p dir="auto">If you can hand file a bearing that runs reasonably smooth, I'm impressed as hell. Definitely somebody can - the first lathe got made somehow - but it's definitely not me.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Behold, a lathe:</p>
<p dir="auto"><img src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e4a4183b-320a-4929-80fa-841deb592ecf.jpeg" alt="" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /></p>
<p dir="auto">This stuff isn't as high-tech as you think.</p>
<p dir="auto">But never mind that; depending on what scenario we're talking about it seems likely <em>some</em> machine tools would survive (e.g. in rural areas, maybe), so the trick would be to find one and get it running.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Once you're talking wooden sprockets and chains,</p>
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<p dir="auto">I am not. I'm talking about, say, salvaging sheet metal from abandoned cars and stamping chain links out of that. Nobody wants a wooden chain; if you're <em>that</em> hard-up, you'd probably be better off trying to go for a belt drive or shaft drive. Or hell, even a penny-farthing!</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25864111</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25864111</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[grue@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2026 00:08:01 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 23:36:15 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">The reason I brought up riveting is because you can do it with basic hand tools (and an open fire for hot riveting). If some kind of welding would work, yeah, do it the normal way. You aren't going to have propane, though, and insulating gasses might require some ingenuity.</p>
<p dir="auto">If you can hand file a bearing that runs reasonably smooth, I'm impressed as hell. Definitely somebody can - the first lathe got made somehow - but it's definitely not me.</p>
<p dir="auto">Wood might be an option, and bamboo seems like it would be a decent option. Once you're talking wooden sprockets and chains, I'm guessing your going to end up with a pedal wagon more than a bike, though, because it's going to be pretty heavy.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24772190</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24772190</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 23:36:15 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 23:31:59 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Nice mansplaining, city person. I'm from a farming family, and live in a rural area that has all these things.</p>
<p dir="auto">You need a certain amount of pasture land (and fodder during the winter). If you don't have enough, the grass runs out - that's called overgrazing.</p>
<p dir="auto">(And because I've had this kind of argument on Lemmy before, imma point out that the animals you eat probably ate staple crops. On this continent, at least, we grain-finish everything)</p>
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<p dir="auto">We can’t just eat it raw in the field. This is nowhere near the same. I can’t even.</p>
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<p dir="auto">No, you gather it, pull off the seeds, and if you want to avoid <em>a lot</em> of chewing, grind it a bit. I'm sure all ready from your local bakery it seems like magic, but it's not.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24772122</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24772122</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 23:31:59 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 23:08:27 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">??? You don't need infinite grass to feed a horse. It grows. They roam.</p>
<p dir="auto">Humans need to plant specific species that we can digest, and then process it so that we can digest those parts because we can't eat the whole thing, and then cook it. We can't just eat it raw in the field. This is nowhere near the same. I can't even.</p>
<p dir="auto">You do know wild horses exist right?</p>
<p dir="auto">*I think I'm just gonna leave it at that.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25863292</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25863292</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[someguy3@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 23:08:27 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 22:57:55 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Eh, gasoline going bad isn't quite the on-off switch a lot of the show's critics think it is. I've personally revived cars with years-old gas in the tanks before - sure, they run like shit, but they can still be driven, in an emergency anyway. Or post-apocalypse.</p>
<p dir="auto">Personally, what grinds my gears, is every abandoned car's battery still having enough juice to start the engine. Nobody ever needs a jump start.</p>
<p dir="auto">Although, timeline-wise, most of the show takes place over the course of less than two years. It's not until the middle of season 9, the third-to-last season, that there's a time skip of more than a few months.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Rivets for putting together the frame.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Nobody rivets together a bike frame. Frames are brazed, welded, or (in the case of carbon fiber, bamboo, or occasionally aluminum) glued. The only places I've ever seen rivets on a bike are on the chain, old-school leather saddles, and maybe to attach layers of stamped steel on really cheap brake calipers.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Maybe an endmill or even CNC machine</p>
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<p dir="auto">Or even just a set of hand files.</p>
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<p dir="auto">or welding for the frame (someone else might know what exact kind of welding you need).</p>
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<p dir="auto">More carefully-constructed bikes typically use TIG, and for aluminum you want an AC welder. But who's going to be making a titanium, aluminum, or even fancy steel (with Tange or Columbus double-butted tubes) bike in the apocalypse? Any welding process would work for steel, especially when you're building out of random scrap plumbing pipe or whatever.</p>
<p dir="auto">Your most realistic options would be stick, MIG, or even just brazing with a propane torch. Or building your bike frame from bamboo lashed together with rope and glued with pine resin.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25862841</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25862841</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[grue@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 22:39:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 22:22:17 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Parable of the Sower.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25862647</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25862647</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[twinklebreeze@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 22:22:17 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 22:06:24 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Which isn't anywhere near infinite. Humans also run off of grass (wheat, oats, barely, rice...), in most traditional societies.</p>
<p dir="auto">You're not even saved the trouble of gathering it if there's a snowy winter to get through. Plus, there's shoeing and various kinds of other care to factor in.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770774</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770774</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 22:06:24 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 22:01:54 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Bigger pedal-powered vehicles might make sense, too. There's less sensitivity to extra weight from a primitive construction. Those mobile peddleable bars for tourists come to mind.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770693</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770693</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 22:01:54 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:58:52 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">At that point, find somebody with an ebike or something, and let them charge in exchange for a ride.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770642</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770642</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:58:52 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:56:36 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">If you don't have the calories to spend, you're not traveling on foot, either. Depending on how good you are with the gears and how horrible the roads are, slow biking might actually burn less.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770595</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770595</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:56:36 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:52:25 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Oh yeah, and it'd take many decades to breed more.</p>
<p dir="auto">There's some around here, and if the apocalypse came I don't doubt people would be riding, but it'd be a one per few families thing.</p>
<p dir="auto">Cattle would probably be the main beast of burden at first.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770522</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770522</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:52:25 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:46:39 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">The amount of oil you need to lubricate something is much more doable, though. If there's not a drop of petroleum, castor oil was the historical choice, and animal fat is probably also thick enough to work.</p>
<p dir="auto">Bearings are a massive chicken and egg problem if you don't have one to start with, but in this scenario you definitely start with them. You're probably not going to make the really fancy ones, but a basic roller, ball or journal bearing seems doable. They did it way back in the day, right?</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770417</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770417</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:46:39 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:42:33 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Solar electricity would still be an option. Lots of people will want electricity, so it's pricey, but if you're the only guy that can make essential machine parts you can probably afford it.</p>
<p dir="auto">If you were a caveman starting over, a waterwheel has about the needed output. Heck, some of the first metal lathes might have run on those, historically.</p>
<p dir="auto">Rubber might just be a wonder you'll have to do without, if you're somewhere temperate.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770340</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770340</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:42:33 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:34:04 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Horses can run off grass.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25861867</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25861867</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[someguy3@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:34:04 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:31:49 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">In terms of quantity, it depends on competition from food production, basically.</p>
<p dir="auto">Modern fertilizer and pesticides allow you to get a much higher yield on the same land, and modern farming vehicles allow you to plant and harvest whatever oil crops without an army of labourers. If you had a ton of idle land, because all the urban people are dead, it reduces to the second problem.</p>
<p dir="auto">Pressing/steeping the oil out of it is another challenge. Probably surmountable, although it's still going to cost a lot more than it does now.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770151</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770151</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:31:49 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:29:40 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Judgement at Nuremberg, you see people riding bicycles.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25861796</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25861796</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[someguy3@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:29:40 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:28:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Also why they're still a huge deal in, like, rural Africa.</p>
<p dir="auto">Most of how the world would look, if the industrial base and institutions were gone, can be predicted by looking at places where they were never built in the first place.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770085</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24770085</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:28:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:23:15 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Lathe + drill + foundry to cast a big enough chunk for the lathe and drill. Rivets for putting together the frame. (And some power source to run your shop)</p>
<p dir="auto">Maybe an endmill or even CNC machine, if you're feeling fancy, or welding for the frame (someone else might know what exact kind of welding you need).</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24769999</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.ieu.app/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24769999</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:23:15 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Transportation Post-Apocalypse: Who gets it right? on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:21:40 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Anecdotally, diesels can sit for a long time and be just fine. I suspect there's something a mechanic could do with an abandoned gasoline car as well. The limiting factor, if we're talking full collapse of civilisation, is refined petroleum.</p>
<p dir="auto">During the world wars, there were people converting IC engines to run off of wood gasifiers. For that, you either need the skills and tools to reprogram engine timings, or a carburator, though. Diesels can run on vegetable oil, and EVs can run off a solar panel, or, if still running, a wind turbine.</p>
<p dir="auto">Horses aren't cheap or free to run, either. No matter what, there will be less vehicles, the ones that do exists will tend to be heavily loaded to save money (like you sometimes see in the third world) and they're going to take longer to get where they're going.</p>
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<p dir="auto">of factory farming, which have massive carbon inputs</p>
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<p dir="auto">The fuel used to run the tractors can itself also be biodiesel.</p>
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