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<p dir="auto">I have a 3-pin Dell PSU spec’d as 19.5v 3.34A and DMM measures at 20v unloaded. The power reqs on the HP laptop are 19.5v 3.33A. AFAICT, that’s a match. Even the 3-pin barrel connector geometry matches. So what’s the problem?</p>
<p dir="auto">The center pin is a “<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20260713104844/https://wiki.robotz.com/index.php/HP_Smart_Pin" rel="nofollow ugc">smart pin</a>” aka “data pin”, as I <a href="https://infosec.pub/post/51012828" rel="nofollow ugc">came to learn</a>. According to <a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/over_clox%40lemmy.world" aria-label="Profile: over_clox@lemmy.world">@<bdi>over_clox@lemmy.world</bdi></a>, this PIN basically passes brand info so HP can reject non-HP PSUs. But according to <a href="https://overflow.ocus.top/exchange/electronics/questions/327909/3-wires-on-a-bipolar-dc-plug-what-are-they-for" rel="nofollow ugc">this article</a>, the data pin is used to “regulate” the voltage -- which I take to mean it negotiates the voltage for transmission as USB-PD does. If it’s merely negotiating power reqs, then the Dell should work.</p>
<p dir="auto">It’s possible both are correct.. perhaps HP has its own proprietary way of negotiating voltage and Dell has theirs.</p>
<p dir="auto">Someone even <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20250803132327/https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/17qcsgc/hacking_the_optiplex_ac_adapter_protocol_i_hate/" rel="nofollow ugc">claims</a> that the data channel is used to communicate temp info so a PSU does not overheat. If that’s true, then perhaps it was a good design (noting that the USB-PD standard did not emerge yet).</p>
<p dir="auto">But is it true about the communication?  Considering there are hacks with a resistor or something to satisfy the data channel, it’s hard to believe that the communication is that sophisticated.</p>
<p dir="auto"><a href="https://computercompatibility.com/hp-laptop-charger-compatibility/" rel="nofollow ugc">This page</a> advises HP owners to always buy HP-branded PSUs. But it’s unclear if that’s just overly safe nonsense.</p>
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