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There are insights I've learned through my life as a Buddhist and neurodivergent person I'd like to share on platforms, and occasionally, some contemporary topics I'd like to weigh in on for the same reason. I've also been encouraged by different people in the space based on what I've shared.
Politically I'm a Centrist, with most of my opinions being politically correct; Anti-Trump, Pro-choice and pro women's issues in general, No problems with how people live their lives sexually or otherwise in terms of LGBTQ. I'll vote left cause there's no alternative, but dream of a non-two party system.
But I honestly don't feel like sticking my neck out in the current culture. It doesn't feel to me as if the "bad people are being cancelled", while that does happen, it feels more to me that we're "waiting for someone to trip up".
And once you're out, you're out. There seems to be no space for people making mistakes, learning, and growing. It's like we're all meant to be perfect and there's no learning curve whatsoever.
And occasionally I like to question topics or nuance views, and that just gets hit with these extremely tribalistic opinions where I'm either "with us or the fascists", which just doesn't reflect where I'm coming from at all.
As an example, sometimes as a neurodivergent you really can get far by developing strategies around your weaknesses, but I see people getting torched for "victim blaming" and all kinds of really strong reactions, based on them just trying to help, not at all trying to minimalize anyone's experience as far as I can see.
So honestly I'm just staying out. Everything I've learned in my life has been through trial and error, being wrong and then getting wiser, and I just don't feel safe in this culture. I feel like everyone's waiting for you to trip up, and if I was to make a mistake, or have a bad opinion, there's no chance to grow, it's just instant banishment and goodbye.
Anyone else feel like this?
Edit: Upon reflection, it feels like we live in a "Suspicion Culture".
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There are insights I've learned through my life as a Buddhist and neurodivergent person I'd like to share on platforms, and occasionally, some contemporary topics I'd like to weigh in on for the same reason. I've also been encouraged by different people in the space based on what I've shared.
Politically I'm a Centrist, with most of my opinions being politically correct; Anti-Trump, Pro-choice and pro women's issues in general, No problems with how people live their lives sexually or otherwise in terms of LGBTQ. I'll vote left cause there's no alternative, but dream of a non-two party system.
But I honestly don't feel like sticking my neck out in the current culture. It doesn't feel to me as if the "bad people are being cancelled", while that does happen, it feels more to me that we're "waiting for someone to trip up".
And once you're out, you're out. There seems to be no space for people making mistakes, learning, and growing. It's like we're all meant to be perfect and there's no learning curve whatsoever.
And occasionally I like to question topics or nuance views, and that just gets hit with these extremely tribalistic opinions where I'm either "with us or the fascists", which just doesn't reflect where I'm coming from at all.
As an example, sometimes as a neurodivergent you really can get far by developing strategies around your weaknesses, but I see people getting torched for "victim blaming" and all kinds of really strong reactions, based on them just trying to help, not at all trying to minimalize anyone's experience as far as I can see.
So honestly I'm just staying out. Everything I've learned in my life has been through trial and error, being wrong and then getting wiser, and I just don't feel safe in this culture. I feel like everyone's waiting for you to trip up, and if I was to make a mistake, or have a bad opinion, there's no chance to grow, it's just instant banishment and goodbye.
Anyone else feel like this?
Edit: Upon reflection, it feels like we live in a "Suspicion Culture".
Can you give a few examples of someone who isn't a bad person that, in your opinion, has been victimized by "cancel culture?"
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Can you give a few examples of someone who isn't a bad person that, in your opinion, has been victimized by "cancel culture?"
Not specifically no, but I don't think it would be hard to find some examples. But I'm not necessarily just talking about celebrities, but also a general attitude happening on online communities and platforms.
But your question actually is a good example: My first thought is; "Does this person honestly want to know, or are they asking in bad faith trying to trip me up?" That's the attitude I feel like is everywhere these days.
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There are insights I've learned through my life as a Buddhist and neurodivergent person I'd like to share on platforms, and occasionally, some contemporary topics I'd like to weigh in on for the same reason. I've also been encouraged by different people in the space based on what I've shared.
Politically I'm a Centrist, with most of my opinions being politically correct; Anti-Trump, Pro-choice and pro women's issues in general, No problems with how people live their lives sexually or otherwise in terms of LGBTQ. I'll vote left cause there's no alternative, but dream of a non-two party system.
But I honestly don't feel like sticking my neck out in the current culture. It doesn't feel to me as if the "bad people are being cancelled", while that does happen, it feels more to me that we're "waiting for someone to trip up".
And once you're out, you're out. There seems to be no space for people making mistakes, learning, and growing. It's like we're all meant to be perfect and there's no learning curve whatsoever.
And occasionally I like to question topics or nuance views, and that just gets hit with these extremely tribalistic opinions where I'm either "with us or the fascists", which just doesn't reflect where I'm coming from at all.
As an example, sometimes as a neurodivergent you really can get far by developing strategies around your weaknesses, but I see people getting torched for "victim blaming" and all kinds of really strong reactions, based on them just trying to help, not at all trying to minimalize anyone's experience as far as I can see.
So honestly I'm just staying out. Everything I've learned in my life has been through trial and error, being wrong and then getting wiser, and I just don't feel safe in this culture. I feel like everyone's waiting for you to trip up, and if I was to make a mistake, or have a bad opinion, there's no chance to grow, it's just instant banishment and goodbye.
Anyone else feel like this?
Edit: Upon reflection, it feels like we live in a "Suspicion Culture".
Hey, yes 100%. Also I know exactly that when people read all this they're going to read it in the worst possible light. There's a lot of language that one learns to self-censor because you know people are looking to classify you as something and place you on a hierarchy so sometimes it's better just to give them as little info as possible.
I don't want to examine your political beliefs or why you think you're a centrist. There's probably something going on there that I'd rather not know about but I want you to know it happens to all kinds of neurodiverse people. We don't give the correct signals and today everyone is going by vibes to determine who is an ally.
Lurk around. Find the helpers, and protect your peace. Also you should note on the fediverse there's a diverse range of servers with different askquestion communities. You'll get a wide range of responses characteristic of the instance you post on.
!ask@piefed.social
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Not specifically no, but I don't think it would be hard to find some examples. But I'm not necessarily just talking about celebrities, but also a general attitude happening on online communities and platforms.
But your question actually is a good example: My first thought is; "Does this person honestly want to know, or are they asking in bad faith trying to trip me up?" That's the attitude I feel like is everywhere these days.
Not trying to "trip you up." But lamenting the idea of "cancel culture" has become kind of a red flag in the current discourse. Your post seems to vaguely refer to specific situations, so some specific examples will help us see where exactly you're coming from.
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Can you give a few examples of someone who isn't a bad person that, in your opinion, has been victimized by "cancel culture?"
Contra Points would be a good example. She had Buck Angel read a John Waters quote in a video she did back in 2019 (I think) and got harassed so badly she dropped off the face of the earth for a while. I remember seeing an interview with her where she described people doxing and threatening her. But her only real mistake was to not vet a voice actor and think about how it would be perceived for her to hire him.
But there is a real phenomenon online where influencers are ruthlessly doxed and threatened for small mistakes, what might be perceived as "incorrect takes", and not being inclusive enough. I have followed several small to medium sized influencers on TikTok who have been harassed for similar reasons who have been forced to change they way they make content or stop all together for very minor stuff.
I don't think I would call it cancel culture, but I don't think I'd say anyone was wrong for using the label. But there are absolutely people trawling social media for anyone who presents themself as left of center that differ from the internet's ontological idea of leftism and try to bully them into conformity.
Surely you've noticed in the comments sections of every social media platform that exists that people are attacking each other and the OP's for petty differences and are often individuals who share 95% of their other beliefs.
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There are insights I've learned through my life as a Buddhist and neurodivergent person I'd like to share on platforms, and occasionally, some contemporary topics I'd like to weigh in on for the same reason. I've also been encouraged by different people in the space based on what I've shared.
Politically I'm a Centrist, with most of my opinions being politically correct; Anti-Trump, Pro-choice and pro women's issues in general, No problems with how people live their lives sexually or otherwise in terms of LGBTQ. I'll vote left cause there's no alternative, but dream of a non-two party system.
But I honestly don't feel like sticking my neck out in the current culture. It doesn't feel to me as if the "bad people are being cancelled", while that does happen, it feels more to me that we're "waiting for someone to trip up".
And once you're out, you're out. There seems to be no space for people making mistakes, learning, and growing. It's like we're all meant to be perfect and there's no learning curve whatsoever.
And occasionally I like to question topics or nuance views, and that just gets hit with these extremely tribalistic opinions where I'm either "with us or the fascists", which just doesn't reflect where I'm coming from at all.
As an example, sometimes as a neurodivergent you really can get far by developing strategies around your weaknesses, but I see people getting torched for "victim blaming" and all kinds of really strong reactions, based on them just trying to help, not at all trying to minimalize anyone's experience as far as I can see.
So honestly I'm just staying out. Everything I've learned in my life has been through trial and error, being wrong and then getting wiser, and I just don't feel safe in this culture. I feel like everyone's waiting for you to trip up, and if I was to make a mistake, or have a bad opinion, there's no chance to grow, it's just instant banishment and goodbye.
Anyone else feel like this?
Edit: Upon reflection, it feels like we live in a "Suspicion Culture".
Neurodivergent people have always been subject to misunderstanding and preemptory judgement—maybe “cancel culture” is the current framework within which that issue appears to manifest itself, but it’s not the cause.
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There are insights I've learned through my life as a Buddhist and neurodivergent person I'd like to share on platforms, and occasionally, some contemporary topics I'd like to weigh in on for the same reason. I've also been encouraged by different people in the space based on what I've shared.
Politically I'm a Centrist, with most of my opinions being politically correct; Anti-Trump, Pro-choice and pro women's issues in general, No problems with how people live their lives sexually or otherwise in terms of LGBTQ. I'll vote left cause there's no alternative, but dream of a non-two party system.
But I honestly don't feel like sticking my neck out in the current culture. It doesn't feel to me as if the "bad people are being cancelled", while that does happen, it feels more to me that we're "waiting for someone to trip up".
And once you're out, you're out. There seems to be no space for people making mistakes, learning, and growing. It's like we're all meant to be perfect and there's no learning curve whatsoever.
And occasionally I like to question topics or nuance views, and that just gets hit with these extremely tribalistic opinions where I'm either "with us or the fascists", which just doesn't reflect where I'm coming from at all.
As an example, sometimes as a neurodivergent you really can get far by developing strategies around your weaknesses, but I see people getting torched for "victim blaming" and all kinds of really strong reactions, based on them just trying to help, not at all trying to minimalize anyone's experience as far as I can see.
So honestly I'm just staying out. Everything I've learned in my life has been through trial and error, being wrong and then getting wiser, and I just don't feel safe in this culture. I feel like everyone's waiting for you to trip up, and if I was to make a mistake, or have a bad opinion, there's no chance to grow, it's just instant banishment and goodbye.
Anyone else feel like this?
Edit: Upon reflection, it feels like we live in a "Suspicion Culture".
It's gotten much worse in recent years, but yes, there are an alarming number of people out there who zealously attack influencers and creators left of center to enforce their version of purity politics. You can't really have a nuanced conversation about any of the political issues of the day without getting dragged, harassed, or threatened.
But I don't think you should let that stop you. There are other factors at play making that problem seem worse than it is. For one, yes there are real human beings who hold their political beliefs zealously and cannot handle any challenge or idea that might call their own ideals into question. They run rampant in the comment sections of pretty much every platform. But there are also other cynical actors at work as well. It's somewhat well documented that foreign agents use bot farms and AI to destabilize public trust and one of the ways they do it is to sow division within political groupings. There are also local (to the western world) operators doing the same thing. It's impossible to tell the difference between the human zealot and the bot agitator or what percentage each group makes up, but it's safe to assume the automated commenters are a significant portion of the population.
Do your thing, block/ignore the haters, it's just noise.
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Not trying to "trip you up." But lamenting the idea of "cancel culture" has become kind of a red flag in the current discourse. Your post seems to vaguely refer to specific situations, so some specific examples will help us see where exactly you're coming from.
I don't have any specific samples, but the fact that you're fishing for red flags is kind of exactly what I'm talking about. It feels like were living in a "Suspicion Culture" which feels super weird and unsafe to me.
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Neurodivergent people have always been subject to misunderstanding and preemptory judgement—maybe “cancel culture” is the current framework within which that issue appears to manifest itself, but it’s not the cause.
I mean that's for sure, but it seems bigger than that and neurotypicals are being targeted as well.
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Contra Points would be a good example. She had Buck Angel read a John Waters quote in a video she did back in 2019 (I think) and got harassed so badly she dropped off the face of the earth for a while. I remember seeing an interview with her where she described people doxing and threatening her. But her only real mistake was to not vet a voice actor and think about how it would be perceived for her to hire him.
But there is a real phenomenon online where influencers are ruthlessly doxed and threatened for small mistakes, what might be perceived as "incorrect takes", and not being inclusive enough. I have followed several small to medium sized influencers on TikTok who have been harassed for similar reasons who have been forced to change they way they make content or stop all together for very minor stuff.
I don't think I would call it cancel culture, but I don't think I'd say anyone was wrong for using the label. But there are absolutely people trawling social media for anyone who presents themself as left of center that differ from the internet's ontological idea of leftism and try to bully them into conformity.
Surely you've noticed in the comments sections of every social media platform that exists that people are attacking each other and the OP's for petty differences and are often individuals who share 95% of their other beliefs.
Reading your post helped me sort my thoughts better, what I really feel like we're living in is a "Suspicion Culture".
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It's gotten much worse in recent years, but yes, there are an alarming number of people out there who zealously attack influencers and creators left of center to enforce their version of purity politics. You can't really have a nuanced conversation about any of the political issues of the day without getting dragged, harassed, or threatened.
But I don't think you should let that stop you. There are other factors at play making that problem seem worse than it is. For one, yes there are real human beings who hold their political beliefs zealously and cannot handle any challenge or idea that might call their own ideals into question. They run rampant in the comment sections of pretty much every platform. But there are also other cynical actors at work as well. It's somewhat well documented that foreign agents use bot farms and AI to destabilize public trust and one of the ways they do it is to sow division within political groupings. There are also local (to the western world) operators doing the same thing. It's impossible to tell the difference between the human zealot and the bot agitator or what percentage each group makes up, but it's safe to assume the automated commenters are a significant portion of the population.
Do your thing, block/ignore the haters, it's just noise.
Glad to know it's not just me. Feels like all nuance has disappeared in favor of tribalism where there is no actual purpose to conversation outside of professing or confirming your allegiance.
Thanks for the encouragement, and I hadn't thought of the destablization bot angle. Crazy to think about, but a fact nonetheless.
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Hey, yes 100%. Also I know exactly that when people read all this they're going to read it in the worst possible light. There's a lot of language that one learns to self-censor because you know people are looking to classify you as something and place you on a hierarchy so sometimes it's better just to give them as little info as possible.
I don't want to examine your political beliefs or why you think you're a centrist. There's probably something going on there that I'd rather not know about but I want you to know it happens to all kinds of neurodiverse people. We don't give the correct signals and today everyone is going by vibes to determine who is an ally.
Lurk around. Find the helpers, and protect your peace. Also you should note on the fediverse there's a diverse range of servers with different askquestion communities. You'll get a wide range of responses characteristic of the instance you post on.
!ask@piefed.social
Thankyou. In the post I already said I voted left but someone literally said my post was a dogwhistle for cancel culture, how does that even make sense? I know you said you didn't want to examine my beliefs (thanks for making me not feel interrogated) I'm a centrist because I don't want to be limited to a two-party system, I would prefer to vote for a green party instead. I'm pretty sure that doesn't make me a fascist, but honestly I'm not even sure what the categories mean anymore.
Thanks a lot for the links!
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There are insights I've learned through my life as a Buddhist and neurodivergent person I'd like to share on platforms, and occasionally, some contemporary topics I'd like to weigh in on for the same reason. I've also been encouraged by different people in the space based on what I've shared.
Politically I'm a Centrist, with most of my opinions being politically correct; Anti-Trump, Pro-choice and pro women's issues in general, No problems with how people live their lives sexually or otherwise in terms of LGBTQ. I'll vote left cause there's no alternative, but dream of a non-two party system.
But I honestly don't feel like sticking my neck out in the current culture. It doesn't feel to me as if the "bad people are being cancelled", while that does happen, it feels more to me that we're "waiting for someone to trip up".
And once you're out, you're out. There seems to be no space for people making mistakes, learning, and growing. It's like we're all meant to be perfect and there's no learning curve whatsoever.
And occasionally I like to question topics or nuance views, and that just gets hit with these extremely tribalistic opinions where I'm either "with us or the fascists", which just doesn't reflect where I'm coming from at all.
As an example, sometimes as a neurodivergent you really can get far by developing strategies around your weaknesses, but I see people getting torched for "victim blaming" and all kinds of really strong reactions, based on them just trying to help, not at all trying to minimalize anyone's experience as far as I can see.
So honestly I'm just staying out. Everything I've learned in my life has been through trial and error, being wrong and then getting wiser, and I just don't feel safe in this culture. I feel like everyone's waiting for you to trip up, and if I was to make a mistake, or have a bad opinion, there's no chance to grow, it's just instant banishment and goodbye.
Anyone else feel like this?
Edit: Upon reflection, it feels like we live in a "Suspicion Culture".
Yeah, get in to politics and they’ll destroy your life. Doesn’t matter what you did in your past, I’m sure they’ll find someone that knew you who they could pay enough to accuse you of something.
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Contra Points would be a good example. She had Buck Angel read a John Waters quote in a video she did back in 2019 (I think) and got harassed so badly she dropped off the face of the earth for a while. I remember seeing an interview with her where she described people doxing and threatening her. But her only real mistake was to not vet a voice actor and think about how it would be perceived for her to hire him.
But there is a real phenomenon online where influencers are ruthlessly doxed and threatened for small mistakes, what might be perceived as "incorrect takes", and not being inclusive enough. I have followed several small to medium sized influencers on TikTok who have been harassed for similar reasons who have been forced to change they way they make content or stop all together for very minor stuff.
I don't think I would call it cancel culture, but I don't think I'd say anyone was wrong for using the label. But there are absolutely people trawling social media for anyone who presents themself as left of center that differ from the internet's ontological idea of leftism and try to bully them into conformity.
Surely you've noticed in the comments sections of every social media platform that exists that people are attacking each other and the OP's for petty differences and are often individuals who share 95% of their other beliefs.
I actually always suspect when a progressive voice is silenced like that that anti-progressive agent provocateurs are behind it, goading others on into this absurd manichaen mindset of purity tests and witch hunts that feel more like the tools of the enemy. Not even that paranoid an idea given that we know about the troll farms and bots.
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Yeah, get in to politics and they’ll destroy your life. Doesn’t matter what you did in your past, I’m sure they’ll find someone that knew you who they could pay enough to accuse you of something.
Ironically I feel like politicians are kind of immune to this, since apparently it's fine if they don't follow their morals and have all kinds of scandals.
But public people who aren't politicians, seem in real danger.
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I actually always suspect when a progressive voice is silenced like that that anti-progressive agent provocateurs are behind it, goading others on into this absurd manichaen mindset of purity tests and witch hunts that feel more like the tools of the enemy. Not even that paranoid an idea given that we know about the troll farms and bots.
Yeah I mean with things like COINTELPRO in our history and Russia's Internet Research Agency in our present, it's hard not to wonder. I don't think there is good documentation for it, but the rumors floating around the periphery of the internet seem to suggest that foreign agents have been using AI powered bot farms to sow political division and erode trust in institutions. There are also networks of well funded right wing political operators using similar networks to divide the left exactly like you are suggesting.
But there are definitely "true believers" out there that are real live human beings acting in good faith, even if their methods and messages may be bad. My guess is it's probably something like 30% true believers who get platformed and amplified by the other 70% of sock puppets, AI bots, and cynical actors.
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Thankyou. In the post I already said I voted left but someone literally said my post was a dogwhistle for cancel culture, how does that even make sense? I know you said you didn't want to examine my beliefs (thanks for making me not feel interrogated) I'm a centrist because I don't want to be limited to a two-party system, I would prefer to vote for a green party instead. I'm pretty sure that doesn't make me a fascist, but honestly I'm not even sure what the categories mean anymore.
Thanks a lot for the links!
It's complicated, but you'll pick it up as you go. I'm pretty cautious about discussing what is or isn't a dogwhistle out in the open because, like you said, people are watching for eachother to slip up.
Okay you probably aren't into anything that would scare most people, it's just easy to draw certain folk's ire. There have been conversations had about it in this space recently. Good luck, I know you'll make some friends soon 🙂
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Glad to know it's not just me. Feels like all nuance has disappeared in favor of tribalism where there is no actual purpose to conversation outside of professing or confirming your allegiance.
Thanks for the encouragement, and I hadn't thought of the destablization bot angle. Crazy to think about, but a fact nonetheless.
Just look at the comments section of your post. So many people have seen the phrase cancel culture and ignored everything else you said just to accuse you of some venal sin in their eyes. I think I saw a few people trying to accuse you of being a secret right winger because you said you're centrist.
It's sad because so many of the issues that we are facing today could use a nuanced discussion that isn't limited to the binary for or against framing corporate-run media tries to force on everyone.
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There are insights I've learned through my life as a Buddhist and neurodivergent person I'd like to share on platforms, and occasionally, some contemporary topics I'd like to weigh in on for the same reason. I've also been encouraged by different people in the space based on what I've shared.
Politically I'm a Centrist, with most of my opinions being politically correct; Anti-Trump, Pro-choice and pro women's issues in general, No problems with how people live their lives sexually or otherwise in terms of LGBTQ. I'll vote left cause there's no alternative, but dream of a non-two party system.
But I honestly don't feel like sticking my neck out in the current culture. It doesn't feel to me as if the "bad people are being cancelled", while that does happen, it feels more to me that we're "waiting for someone to trip up".
And once you're out, you're out. There seems to be no space for people making mistakes, learning, and growing. It's like we're all meant to be perfect and there's no learning curve whatsoever.
And occasionally I like to question topics or nuance views, and that just gets hit with these extremely tribalistic opinions where I'm either "with us or the fascists", which just doesn't reflect where I'm coming from at all.
As an example, sometimes as a neurodivergent you really can get far by developing strategies around your weaknesses, but I see people getting torched for "victim blaming" and all kinds of really strong reactions, based on them just trying to help, not at all trying to minimalize anyone's experience as far as I can see.
So honestly I'm just staying out. Everything I've learned in my life has been through trial and error, being wrong and then getting wiser, and I just don't feel safe in this culture. I feel like everyone's waiting for you to trip up, and if I was to make a mistake, or have a bad opinion, there's no chance to grow, it's just instant banishment and goodbye.
Anyone else feel like this?
Edit: Upon reflection, it feels like we live in a "Suspicion Culture".
the internet is an attention machine and outrage gets attention. talk to ppl irl and it'll be more chill
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