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      A solar powered website that goes offline when there's no power

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          gekkonen@sopuli.xyz
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          This website made me reconsider if 99.9999% SLA and always online is really that important for lots of websites. I used to self-host my own server in my own apartment, but gave up on that after my internet provider had their first major outage that lasted almost a week. Also I didn't want to worry about the fire hazard, or the server going down when I was traveling etc.

          But a solar powered server seems interesting, if the batteries could be made fire safe.

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          • G gekkonen@sopuli.xyz

            This website made me reconsider if 99.9999% SLA and always online is really that important for lots of websites. I used to self-host my own server in my own apartment, but gave up on that after my internet provider had their first major outage that lasted almost a week. Also I didn't want to worry about the fire hazard, or the server going down when I was traveling etc.

            But a solar powered server seems interesting, if the batteries could be made fire safe.

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            fullsquare@awful.systems
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            Lead-acid batteries work if you don't care about weight and lithium-iron phosphate if you do

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            • G gekkonen@sopuli.xyz

              This website made me reconsider if 99.9999% SLA and always online is really that important for lots of websites. I used to self-host my own server in my own apartment, but gave up on that after my internet provider had their first major outage that lasted almost a week. Also I didn't want to worry about the fire hazard, or the server going down when I was traveling etc.

              But a solar powered server seems interesting, if the batteries could be made fire safe.

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              shimitar@downonthestreet.eu
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              Uptime for home users is useless. More important is recovery, reboot and resume (the 3'Rs)

              You server should reboot automatically, storage should restore itself from unsafe shutdown and your services should resume operations like nothing happened.

              This means test your reboot, ensure stuff doesn't break, and so on.

              Failing storage after an hard reboot is the hardest.

              For network, i have two ISP connections and a an auto switch script Incase one goes down. But honestly it's overkill and not needed for 99% of home hosters.

              Buying some kind of UPS like a battery powered power strip is also nice but keep in mind that require maintenance to replace batteries once every few years (long enough to forget) and so be useless. The ups shall only last enough to perform a controlled server shutdown using NUTS.

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              • G gekkonen@sopuli.xyz

                This website made me reconsider if 99.9999% SLA and always online is really that important for lots of websites. I used to self-host my own server in my own apartment, but gave up on that after my internet provider had their first major outage that lasted almost a week. Also I didn't want to worry about the fire hazard, or the server going down when I was traveling etc.

                But a solar powered server seems interesting, if the batteries could be made fire safe.

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                stupidmanager@lemmy.world
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                Companies claiming 99.9999 uptime is an absurd goal for a SLA, and wouldn’t even survive a small internet outage like a DDoS attack or Akamai outage. I remember in the 90s selling the idea of 5 9’s - 99.999% on my resume until some manager who Interviewed me asked me to state the expected downtime. I stopped claiming that number because it’s impossible without full active redundancy in different locations and not dependent on external providers like cloudflare ever going down.

                And please don’t argue maintenance windows “cover it” because that’s not how they work in the real world today.

                Downtime per year:

                • 99% ~3.65 days (5,256 min)
                • 99.9% ~8.77 hours (526 min)
                • 99.99% ~52.6 min
                • 99.999% ~5.26 min
                • 99.9999% ~31.5 seconds

                For my home lab I’m happy my stuff is online and content I hardly lose access when there’s a power outage thanks to my ups. But if I tracked I’d be closer to 95%. Good enough but I can’t wait till I just don’t care to run anything.

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                • F fullsquare@awful.systems

                  Lead-acid batteries work if you don't care about weight and lithium-iron phosphate if you do

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                  cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de
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                  You're better off with the LiFePO4 batteries even if you don't care about weight. A lead acid battery will wear out quickly when you cycle it daily. Lithium also has a higher charging efficiency, so you get more usable power from the solar panel.

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                  • G gekkonen@sopuli.xyz

                    This website made me reconsider if 99.9999% SLA and always online is really that important for lots of websites. I used to self-host my own server in my own apartment, but gave up on that after my internet provider had their first major outage that lasted almost a week. Also I didn't want to worry about the fire hazard, or the server going down when I was traveling etc.

                    But a solar powered server seems interesting, if the batteries could be made fire safe.

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                    danielquinn@lemmy.ca
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                    #6

                    There's a nifty project on Mastodon where someone is running an instance entirely on solar (and I think a battery?). They've been tinkering with some of the code to do things like optimise images for reduced weight or CPU cost.

                    The project is called @solaradmin@solarcene.community and the account for the person running it is on a separate instance, presumably so people can message them about problems: @smallsolar@techhub.social.

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                    • G gekkonen@sopuli.xyz

                      This website made me reconsider if 99.9999% SLA and always online is really that important for lots of websites. I used to self-host my own server in my own apartment, but gave up on that after my internet provider had their first major outage that lasted almost a week. Also I didn't want to worry about the fire hazard, or the server going down when I was traveling etc.

                      But a solar powered server seems interesting, if the batteries could be made fire safe.

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                      nyvios@lemmy.world
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                      Current uptime of over 23 weeks, not bad

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                      • C cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de

                        You're better off with the LiFePO4 batteries even if you don't care about weight. A lead acid battery will wear out quickly when you cycle it daily. Lithium also has a higher charging efficiency, so you get more usable power from the solar panel.

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                        fullsquare@awful.systems
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                        Lithium-iron is about 2x more expensive, there might be different availability and energy use during manufacture is probably higher

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                        • S slazer2au@lemmy.world

                          I have never been a fan of anything above 3 nines of uptime even in a business situation.

                          Your business will not collapse because of 10 min of downtime a week, and if it does that is not technologies fault.

                          I don't even bother to track my home setup.

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                          djdarren@piefed.social
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                          My home server is 100% up, because I never check it and that's how it works, right?

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                          • djdarren@piefed.socialD djdarren@piefed.social

                            My home server is 100% up, because I never check it and that's how it works, right?

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                            Schrödingers home server

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                            • G gekkonen@sopuli.xyz

                              This website made me reconsider if 99.9999% SLA and always online is really that important for lots of websites. I used to self-host my own server in my own apartment, but gave up on that after my internet provider had their first major outage that lasted almost a week. Also I didn't want to worry about the fire hazard, or the server going down when I was traveling etc.

                              But a solar powered server seems interesting, if the batteries could be made fire safe.

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                              atpa9@feddit.org
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                              The uptime looks better than GitHubs...

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                              • A atpa9@feddit.org

                                The uptime looks better than GitHubs...

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                                gekkonen@sopuli.xyz
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                                I know this is a typo, but I'm sad Guthub isn't a food delivery company.

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                                • djdarren@piefed.socialD djdarren@piefed.social

                                  My home server is 100% up, because I never check it and that's how it works, right?

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                                  daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                  I didn't turn it down, so it's obviously up.

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                                  • S slazer2au@lemmy.world

                                    I have never been a fan of anything above 3 nines of uptime even in a business situation.

                                    Your business will not collapse because of 10 min of downtime a week, and if it does that is not technologies fault.

                                    I don't even bother to track my home setup.

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                                    pm_me_vintage_30s@anarchist.nexus
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                                    Your business will not collapse because of 10 min of downtime a week, and if it does that is not technologies fault.

                                    Hospitals? Air traffic control? Power grid operators? Like these are exceptional businesses, but they're out there.

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                                    • G gekkonen@sopuli.xyz

                                      This website made me reconsider if 99.9999% SLA and always online is really that important for lots of websites. I used to self-host my own server in my own apartment, but gave up on that after my internet provider had their first major outage that lasted almost a week. Also I didn't want to worry about the fire hazard, or the server going down when I was traveling etc.

                                      But a solar powered server seems interesting, if the batteries could be made fire safe.

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                                      garage is a software project made for communal home hosting. Tech literates will talk about its S3 API but that's the least interesting part: the most interesting is that it has been purposely built to be hosted on (actual) commodity hardware like second-hand nucs, running on flaky home power and internet and linked together through usual isps. Nodes may come up and down but the cluster withstands all of that.

                                      Garage would be a pretty nice project to run a solar-powered mini-cluster. If sufficiently far from each other, you could even run without polluting batteries !

                                      https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/

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                                      • G gekkonen@sopuli.xyz

                                        This website made me reconsider if 99.9999% SLA and always online is really that important for lots of websites. I used to self-host my own server in my own apartment, but gave up on that after my internet provider had their first major outage that lasted almost a week. Also I didn't want to worry about the fire hazard, or the server going down when I was traveling etc.

                                        But a solar powered server seems interesting, if the batteries could be made fire safe.

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                                        remon@ani.social
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                                        All websites go offline when there is no power ...

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                                        • S slazer2au@lemmy.world

                                          I have never been a fan of anything above 3 nines of uptime even in a business situation.

                                          Your business will not collapse because of 10 min of downtime a week, and if it does that is not technologies fault.

                                          I don't even bother to track my home setup.

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                                          seductivetortoise@piefed.social
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                                          I don't even bother to track my home setup

                                          I host home assistant and if anything goes down I'll notice pretty fast.

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                                          • N nyvios@lemmy.world

                                            Current uptime of over 23 weeks, not bad

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                                            a_norny_mousse@piefed.zip
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                                            It's late summer now, best possible time to measure solar-powered uptime. Roughly 5 months, i.e. since mid March, i.e. springtime in Spain. Many daylight hours.

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                                            • pm_me_vintage_30s@anarchist.nexusP pm_me_vintage_30s@anarchist.nexus

                                              Your business will not collapse because of 10 min of downtime a week, and if it does that is not technologies fault.

                                              Hospitals? Air traffic control? Power grid operators? Like these are exceptional businesses, but they're out there.

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                                              parlimentofdoom@piefed.zip
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                                              Many airports are closed at night.

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                                              • G gekkonen@sopuli.xyz

                                                This website made me reconsider if 99.9999% SLA and always online is really that important for lots of websites. I used to self-host my own server in my own apartment, but gave up on that after my internet provider had their first major outage that lasted almost a week. Also I didn't want to worry about the fire hazard, or the server going down when I was traveling etc.

                                                But a solar powered server seems interesting, if the batteries could be made fire safe.

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                                                jason2357@lemmy.ca
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                                                Use a gell cell lead acid battery (the kind that go in regular UPSs). No fire hazzard, ans bonus, they can survive freezing temperatures just fine if outdoors. Downside is replacing a cheap battery every 3 years.

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