Is Authelia enough without fail2ban or crowdsec?

[arda@piefed.social]

I have everything I host and expose behind authelia (which requires 2fa) as middleware or as the only login method with oicd, thus far it seems to work well, of course I get a bunch of malicious traffic and spam but this gets to authelia and stops there, I don't even see multiple tried login tries ever so I felt pretty safe. However it does seem that everyone uses either fail2ban or crowdsec in addition so I have been wondering if it would really add any security in my setup or if I'm missing something. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt but crowdsec always seemed a little too complex for me and I don't want something I don't fully understand in my security layer and I never saw a nice way to setup fail2ban so never bothered. Afaik there's no webui or such things and you have to manually make working regex for everything. I'd like to know if I'm missing something or if anyone has tipps to give

[jrgd@lemmy.zip]

Generally, your auth provider (assuming setup correctly) should be one of the most secure components of your internet-exposed setup. That being said, vulnerabilities can and do occur. Adding a combination of Crowdsec, OWASP CRS, other ModSecurity rulesets, and/or fail2ban will add a degree of migitation of potential exploits by blacklisting known bad actors/active bad behavior.

Above all, you should have a plan to keep aware of updates to your publicly-exposed software and be able to deploy those updates in a timely fashion.

[hendrik@palaver.p3x.de]

Authelia should come with rate limiting to protect against brute-force attacks. That could be enough.

I'd generally advise to make sure such protection actually works. Like look up the limits and try to login with a wrong password 30 times... Especially if you added stuff on top (fail2ban, crowdsec...). Has happened to me I misconfigured stuff and it didn't limit anything... Now I check to make sure for important bits like an authentication service.

[frongt@lemmy.zip]

Security works in layers. You don't know if there's a vulnerability in Authelia.

[shininghero@pawb.social]

My network has all the web ui stuff kept local and only accessible via OpenVPN on port 443, with fail2ban as well.

By the time a would-be attacker realizes it's not actually a webserver, they'll have exhausted most, if not all, of their public IP addresses on fuzzing for webserver vulnerabilities.

EDIT: and as a bonus, I can also just punch out through the firewall my work has on the visitor network with ease. All I needed was a second fail2ban rule for their static IP to deal with followup scans.