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      Letsencrypt is under US jurisdiction. Is there a free-er alternative?

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          I know that I can simply make my own private certificate authority that only I and my family trust. But is there some public provider like letsencrypt that is in a free-er part of the world than the US?

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            I know that I can simply make my own private certificate authority that only I and my family trust. But is there some public provider like letsencrypt that is in a free-er part of the world than the US?

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            There are some commercial Certificate Authorities that offer free certificates. But in contrast Let's Encrypt is a non-profit.

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            • sibbo@sopuli.xyzS sibbo@sopuli.xyz

              I know that I can simply make my own private certificate authority that only I and my family trust. But is there some public provider like letsencrypt that is in a free-er part of the world than the US?

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              @Sibbo I do not see any problem with Letsencrypt. Any CA which is widely trusted has to follow the same rules. This rules are set up by the CA Browser Forum. Which metadata does LE collect? My server's IP address, domain and subdomain, mail address. These are logged in the CT logs. Every CA has to log all certificates in a public CT log. Regardless which CA I choose, these data are public. There are not any critical data or metadata that LE can collect.

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                @Sibbo I do not see any problem with Letsencrypt. Any CA which is widely trusted has to follow the same rules. This rules are set up by the CA Browser Forum. Which metadata does LE collect? My server's IP address, domain and subdomain, mail address. These are logged in the CT logs. Every CA has to log all certificates in a public CT log. Regardless which CA I choose, these data are public. There are not any critical data or metadata that LE can collect.

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                Letsencrypt can be directly forced to revoke certificates by the US. Organisations outside of the US are less vulnerable against that.

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                  Letsencrypt can be directly forced to revoke certificates by the US. Organisations outside of the US are less vulnerable against that.

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                  And ICAAN can hand your domain over to US law enforcement regardless of the TLD and your register.

                  Is that also part of your decision tree?

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                    And ICAAN can hand your domain over to US law enforcement regardless of the TLD and your register.

                    Is that also part of your decision tree?

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                    ICANN can (theoretically) not force anyone to deregister your domain. If your stack is all outside the US, and everyone collectively decided to disobey the US, the Internet's decentralization would be true.

                    The hard part about building a decentralized network is finding out where to hide the centralization.

                    For the Internet, the centralization is hidden in the IP block and DNS Zone delegation. After this is done, that region is decentralized. A/I's problem was that the registry for .org is a subsidiary of IANA.
                    With EU servers, EU DNS and a EU domain, EU clients cannot be prevented from connecting solely from the outside. The US would need a collaborator.

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                    • L libewa@feddit.org

                      ICANN can (theoretically) not force anyone to deregister your domain. If your stack is all outside the US, and everyone collectively decided to disobey the US, the Internet's decentralization would be true.

                      The hard part about building a decentralized network is finding out where to hide the centralization.

                      For the Internet, the centralization is hidden in the IP block and DNS Zone delegation. After this is done, that region is decentralized. A/I's problem was that the registry for .org is a subsidiary of IANA.
                      With EU servers, EU DNS and a EU domain, EU clients cannot be prevented from connecting solely from the outside. The US would need a collaborator.

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                      That is all well and good, but we have many instances of domains being pulled from people because of court ruling and your register is not going to defy a court ruling for your €17/year domain.

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                        And ICAAN can hand your domain over to US law enforcement regardless of the TLD and your register.

                        Is that also part of your decision tree?

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                        Aren't the .country domains managed by the countries?

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                          Aren't the .country domains managed by the countries?

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                          Who all get that authority from ICAAN

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